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9/14/2005 4:43 PM


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Curious... How do you think Nagan should be held accountable?

The beauty of elected officials is that the people can hold them accountable. If he is voted in to office again, I guess the people of NO deserve the Mayor they get, that is if there will be a city to be mayor of.
9/14/2005 4:59 PM


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The beauty of elected officials is that the people can hold them accountable.


So not electing them is the only way to hold a public official accountable then?
9/14/2005 8:07 PM


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Well, other than impeachment, I don't think so. Should he be fired? Yes, but his employer is the citizenry of New Orleans. You forget the reason we have Ahhnold as governor in California. The people were so dissatisfied with the job Grey Davis was doing that they signed petitions to have an election to vote him out. The power is with the people in a democracy, so for elected possitions, like it or not, the people hold their leaders accountable. I don't know what other accountability there could be other than a fine or something. Should we have mayors appointed? Impeachment would require that he did something illegal with respect to his possition and I don't know that he did.
9/16/2005 1:36 PM


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You forget the reason we have Ahhnold as governor in California.


Didn't forget, never knew that at all

In a case like this though... Should it be a firing or should it be a lesson to all and hold the path?
9/16/2005 2:13 PM


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Hehe, not a question for me I think.
9/16/2005 2:56 PM


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Here in Tennessee, 4 elected state officials, as well as individual lobbiers were busted in a sting that had been materializing the past couple of years. the sting operation was called Tennesee Waltz, it made some national noise not much.

Wikipedia: Operation Tennessee Waltz

the politicians involved, 3 democrats and 1 republican were charged with corruption, bribery, witness intimidation, etc.

As the article says, one has already resigned his post in the government, I believe Ford has as well.... There are other ways to hold politicians accountable, for example if they commit crimes, but it's arguable if "not taking appropriate action" is a crime, it certianly isn't doing your job, and in most places not doing your job will get you fired, but in the realm of politics, usually that means you have to wait until the next election, when typically, most of the voting population has forgotten about your lack of ability to do your job, and hence incumbents typically get elected almost every single time.
9/16/2005 4:28 PM


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Hmm LC, thanks for the link... Thats good reading.

And the incumbant part... simple... Very few people vote for a person, they vote for the party (or 'their team'


Back to NO... This surprised me (CNN I think, though it might be somewhere else)
The evacuees polled, all from New Orleans or elsewhere in Louisiana, also said:


More than half of their homes were destroyed. Two-thirds were renting their homes and a third were owners.


Almost three-fourths don't have insurance to cover their losses.


More than half didn't have health insurance, a usable credit card with them, or a bank or checking account from which they could withdraw money.


Nearly three-fourths heard before the hurricane hit that an evacuation order had been given; a fourth did not.


More than two-thirds said they didn't evacuate because they didn't realize how bad the storm and its aftermath would be. More than half -- 55 percent -- said one factor was that they didn't have a car or a way to leave.

The survey of 680 randomly selected evacuees at Houston-area shelters was conducted September 10-12 by ICR. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. The Harvard School of Public Health collaborated on the project.


1 in 4 didn't get the notice to evacuate? Thats a bit scary


1 in 3 own, 2 in 3 rent... Hmmm, might say something about the poverty when that few actually own and most rent.

55% saying they weren't aware how bad it could be isn't very good either. Does 1 in every 2 people in California not know about the potential threat of an earthquake?
9/16/2005 6:07 PM


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There are other ways to hold politicians accountable, for example if they commit crimes, but it's arguable if "not taking appropriate action" is a crime, it certianly isn't doing your job, and in most places not doing your job will get you fired, but in the realm of politics, usually that means you have to wait until the next election, when typically, most of the voting population has forgotten about your lack of ability to do your job, and hence incumbents typically get elected almost every single time.

I think this is more a statement about the people electing than the elected. Sad but true. Oh yeah, don't most polititians not do their jobs? :p
Does 1 in every 2 people in California not know about the potential threat of an earthquake?

Yeah, that there isn't much threat at least to newer buildings that is. I lived in CA for 28 years and lived through many an earthquake. Most deaths related to the earthquakes there were heart attacks and possible electrical fires but that was mostly it. Northridge was a different story as it's epicenter was actually in the city. There was quite a bit of damage done but still the loss of life was like in the teens I think and people weren't stranded like the huricane victims.
9/16/2005 6:18 PM


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I think this is more a statement about the people electing than the elected.


Democracy is founded on the basis that each person makes an informed vote. Unfortunately that vast majority of the population falls under the sheep category and rarely takes the time to consider doing something else other than following the shepherd. Wasn't there an election where a dead incumbant won a vote because people voted for their team and didn't actually take the time to notice who tehy were voting for?



Yeah, that there isn't much threat at least to newer buildings that is. I lived in CA for 28 years and lived through many an earthquake.


I think the fact earthquakes are more common helps to ensure that California is aware and prepared. I'm curious what the newer buildings are designed to withstand though... a 5.0? 7.5? 9.0? 10.5? (the disaster movie '10.5' was about an earthquake powerful enough to rip down the golden gate bridge. And the bigger one to follow was rated 10.5)



---Side topic
I'm enjoying the Gray Davis stuff out there too... Y'know the standard reason (here atleast) thats attributed for the Terminatah getting into office is simply americans will vote for their stars way before they vote for something intelligent.

Top 5 Reasons
To Recall Gray Davis

Lied to Public About California’s Budgetary Matters Solely to Gain Re-Election: Never has there been a time where a politician had been more disingenuous in deceiving and misleading the public than Gray Davis. He knowingly lied through his teeth before the election about the size and scope of California’s $34.6 billion budget deficit.

Lied to Voters About His Plans to Raise Taxes: As soon as he felt he had ho