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10/5/2005 7:04 PM


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I like that site too. I just found it by googling for statistics and they have quite an extensive amount of them. I actually added it to my favorites. Do you know of any other good, unbiassed (this one seems to be unbiassed but I am not sure) statistic sites.
The bow is fun, but not much for level playing field.

I guess it wouldn't really be a level playing field unless deer could shoot back. From what I understand, bow hunting is more challenging though so they get to start their deer season first. Maybe that's just because there are fewer bow hunters, now that I think of it.
10/5/2005 9:24 PM


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Didn't most brit colonies eventually break off peacefully?

ehhh...yeah. But only after WWII and the realization by the Crown that it no longer had the financial and military resources to maintain the empire...though they did do a number on those pesky Argentinians

10/6/2005 10:13 AM


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Maybe that's just because there are fewer bow hunters, now that I think of it.


The range with bows is alot less and you need to be much much closer then you do with a rifle.

Doing my own little research... Although canadians critisize the gun happy americans, we have nearly 2x the number of guns per household The key difference is most Canadian weapons are rifles... Most American weapons are much easier concealed and are more often side arms. I wonder if that makes much of a difference?


But only after WWII

I know WWI opened up the way for a few nations... I guess WWII opened up the way for the rest.
10/6/2005 1:31 PM


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I actually think that the crime percentage has more to do with the people and little to do with the guns. Hey that's a compliment to you Canadians.
10/7/2005 9:12 AM


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When I was just baby, my mama told me "Son, always be a good boy and don't ever play with guns."

Sorry, couldn't resist.
10/7/2005 12:09 PM


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Definitely to build on Seared's comment about handguns vs. long rifles, and Sticker's quote, yes, handguns are what most murders are commited with. Also, they are much easier to use inside a building, i.e., to kill an intruder. Thus, rifles are not a very effective weapon for protecting one's loved ones while at home.

"Its a Saturday Night Special. Its got a barrel of blue and coal. Ain't good for nothing, cept put a man six feet in a hole . . ."

Only problem that Lynard did not address in that very poignant and sincere song is: if we DID dump them "all right into the sea," all it would do is up their profitability by several thousand percent, and there would be an immediate arms RACE!

Solutions that address the psychosocial sources of violence are extremely elusive, problematic, and necessarily long-term. But there are, for the US and many other world regions, far more pragmatic than "banning," though synergistic with efforts to regulate availability.
10/7/2005 12:38 PM


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Honestly, taking guns away from people will not decrease crime rate. Think about what people used before there were guns. If I wanted to murder someone, and didn't have a gun, I'd just use a knife or maybe a baseball bat.

I don't think people are looking at the big picture here. Sure, we need to enforce the regulations that we have on people wanting to buy weapons in the first place, but get to the root of them problem. What causes someone to want to commit a crime? Poverty? Unemployment? These seem to be the questions no one is asking.
10/7/2005 1:14 PM


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Honestly, taking guns away from people will not decrease crime rate.


It would have some affect... But not as much as it seems to be claimed. Crimes of passion and the sort (spur of the moment, not premeditated) would go down (can't shoot a person if there wasn't a gun readily available). And they wouldn't really go down in number, just their severity would. Premeditated murders wouldn't really be effected, if the person wanted to kill someone, they will get around a simple weapons ban.

yes, handguns are what most murders are commited with. Also, they are much easier to use inside a building, i.e., to kill an intruder.


I see the key difference as being concealability. If a person has a weapon obviously displayed, people are going to be cautious in what they do or how they act in the proximity of that person. Moreover, if it's a public place, someone is going to report the person wandering around with a hunting rifle.

Pistols are relatively easy (atleast compared to rifles) to conceal. This concealibility makes pistols much more appropriate for crminal activities, as the gun doesn't give them away.

In my opinion, there are some guns that should be outlawed and done away with (Canadian opinion of course). Guns are tools, rifles and the sort that have very pratical uses such as hunting still have a place in society. Pistols and other weapons similar seem only to have one design... Killing people. These are the smaller and much easier to conceal weapons that anybody on the street could easily have somewhere on their person.
10/7/2005 1:54 PM


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The best way to reduce the murder rate would be to eliminate 100% of all handguns. Unfortunately this is impossible. How do you get rid of all the handguns from the criminals? The second best thing would be to allow people to own their own guns and the criminals will be forced to take their chances.
I see the key difference as being concealability. If a person has a weapon obviously displayed, people are going to be cautious in what they do or how they act in the proximity of that person.

Interesting. I know different states have different rules regarding this. There was a time when it was legal to walk around with a loaded gun (it still may be in some places) as long as it was in plain sight and in a holdster. Thieves would at least think twice about robbing someone if they saw someone with a gun walking around.
Isn't it true that in switserland everyone must have a gun? Last time I checked, they have a quite low crime rate.