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7/20/2007 8:14 PM


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Wow, that's an excellent drawing, Jerm

I'm going to have to agree with Jerm's points here, Tor went about the whole thing the wrong way.

I don't think the supreme court should be locking down unofficial discussion threads. The only time this would be acceptable would be if someone was trying to usurp an official election.

On a more personal note, I must say that this whole Community is slightly resistant to change and semi-radicalism. Not everyone thinks that the current set-up is "good" for everyone. I was of the opinion that the Senate should (and already is) the most powerful entity of the Government.

I would like to counter this. I am willing to see change, as long as the change has good reason and is justified. A lot of the early suggested changes were proposed in a vague manner which only led to a lot of questioning. You also have to realise that the members who have been with the game from the start are going to be a bit wary of newcomers until they have settled into the game a bit.

If there is a good reason for a change then it would be worthy to hold a vote.

You seem to forget that the power of the Supreme Court is to uphold the constitution by ensuring the senate laws are not unconstitutional.

Let me quote maniacalmonkey, from here: http://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2237184-90-1.aspx

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I suppose it really boils down to how we want to run things. The Constitution only says what needs to be done, not how it is to be done. The "how" can be filled in in several ways.

Right now we have Supreme Court decisions on several issues of "how", which is essentially just the Court - as arbitrators on the Consitution - saying "if you do it this way, you won't violate the Constitution". Other offices like the Presidency and the Senate establish their own "how" on the items under their responsibility, simply by doing things in a certain way. Again, the Court is only an arbitrator here. For example, there are no real guidelines as to what should be in an executive report: The President writes these up as he pleases, and the Court woud only step in if it feels the Constitution is being violated.

The Senate, however, has the power to cement all sorts of things in Articles of Law. As long as the Constitution isn't violated in the process, the Senate can therefore determine how things should be done by any office. Continuing our example, the Senate could pass a law stipulating the minimal requirements for an executive report.*

The choice, then, is really up to the Senate - to what degree do you want to regulate the way things are done in the government? The Senate can choose to let elected officials do things in their own way, relying on the Court to step in should anything go awry, or it can establish Laws to regulate these issues.
 

The way I see it is that Tor will be officially "absent" if he does not properly respond to the matters in this thread soon, regardless of whether he has logged in to 1BC or not. My goal is to ensure that all members of the government should be accountable for their decisions. If he cannot be held accountable, then I feel we will need to replace him.

7/20/2007 9:23 PM


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I think that a good way to resolve this for future matters would be for the senate to set up an "article of law" to address the matter of unofficial nomination threads.  Since it's not addressed in the constitution, this would seem to be the perfect time to use the legislative powers to allow for or disallow for the creation of such threads.  Either that or it would be a good time for the court to make a ruling on such threads, stating their reasons for their interpretations. 
7/21/2007 4:17 AM


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I will not make any decisions or interpretations while the Court is at half-power.

Also realize that I was the one who re-opened the thread because I disagreed with what TORA was doing (maybe for non-legal reasons, but still).

7/21/2007 4:38 AM


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Does anyone wish to wait longer for Tor to respond? It's been almost 3 days...
7/21/2007 8:22 AM


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I really don't think Tora will be coming back to here Dave... but if there is official protocol to follow... by all means, don't take my word for it.
7/21/2007 9:51 PM


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I think you're right LC.

It is a shame, but it has meant that I have started the wheels in motion to replace Tor here:

http://www.1bcciv.com/Topic2240316-93-1.aspx

The senate needs to vote on this.

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