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CNN article that was forwarded my way that I'd like opinions on from the peeps south of the border...
CRAWFORD, Texas (CNN) -- President Bush will launch a new round of speeches Monday to rally support for the war in Iraq, advisers said, as protesters camped outside Bush's Texas home and polls showed weaker support for the two-year conflict.
Senior aides say Bush will attempt to portray the Iraq conflict in the context of long wars like World War II, which U.S. forces fought from 1941 to 1945.
They said the president also will invoke the September 11, 2001, attacks, arguing once again that the insurgents battling American troops in Iraq share the same ideology as the al Qaeda operatives who crashed hijacked jetliners into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field.
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Just curious if anyone else is on par with comparing Iraq to WWII?
Actually, I'm curious what is thought about this line in specific:
that the insurgents battling American troops in Iraq share the same ideology as the al Qaeda operatives
So is that justifying war on all muslims nations then? And I'm still searching for a link to sept 11 and Iraq, but have yet to find any... I'm curious what new light Bush may shed on that (besides reminding us we need to be afraid of it) |
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| I can't really see any connection between WWII and Iraq...
This might jack the thread, and I really am sorry if it does, but Roadkill, I can't see myself comparing Bush to Hitler. Hitler made war for the simple purpose of furthering his country's interest. He attacked First. Bush invaded Iraq because of the terrist threat. THEY attacked US first, see?
And he's not the only one to have made a mistake there. Remember the polls that went around shortly after the invasion? I don't remember the number exactly, but a very high percentage of the population supported him.
As to what the connection between Al Queda, Saddam, nuclear weapons, ect, I think I can explain them. I am by no means saying this is the way Bush or anyone else thinks, this is just the way everything is formed in my mind.
first off, we look at Saddam's history; very violent, used biological weapons against his own people, was a general pain in the rear, started a war or two... If he had nuclear weaopns and systems that could allow him to strike any target on the globe, where do you think his first target would be? Yup, the US. Did he have nuclear weapons? We still don't know. Just because we haven't found any doesn't mean they weren't there. We haven't found Osama yet, so what would keep someone from hiding nukes from us? And if Sadaam didn't have them, why was he playing ring-around-the-rosy with the weapons inspectors?
I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt if they say Sadaam didn't have any, but up to the eve of the invasion, he CERTAINLY gave us a good reason to believe he had them? What would his biggest target be again? The US.
Now for the 9-11 attacks...how is this all connected to Iraq? First it showed how easily it might be to strike at the US. If planes could be hi-jacked and knock down the some of the tallest buildings in the world, that really does give you a good reason to be scared. Second, it proved that terrorist WOULD do all in their power to take the US down. I think most people already knew that in an academic sort of way, but that attack really drove the thought home. There is also the fact that Sadaam and Bin Ladin had "connections", that Iraq was one of the biggest recruiters of terrorists, so on, so forth...bottom line you come to is, Sadaam has nuclear weapons (we think), he will certainly use them, will probably use them against the US, and in view of the 9-11 attacks, might succeed at doing it, too.
You end up with the conclusion that removing Sadaam from power would solve a lot of problems.
Has the invasion caused its own problems? Of course! No operation is ever 100% succesful, for every gain there is almost always a setback. To say that the invasion failed looking at the current picture is, IMO, rubbish! Iraq is democratic now. The rest of the ME is starting to follow suit. There is a power vacuum at the moment, but so long as our troops are there to fill it (at least partially), then time will fill it.
And that IS what our troops need to do. They need to stay, they need to keep fighting. If we pull our troops out now, a new despot will (I suppose I should say "should", but whatever) come about. The power vacuum may get out of control, plunging the country, or indeed, the whole ME into anarchy. Pulling our troops out now would be comparable to withdrawing our troops from Europe after the Battle of the Bulge in WWII (hey, aparrallel after all!). Just because we have suffered a setback is not good enough a reason to withdraw. If we stay, we have a chance that one of the most oppressive areas of the world will become democratic, that those who have and will died will have to something to say about it in their next life. To withdraw would mean that all those sacrafices have been made for NOTHING.
Well, that looks rather like a rant, reading back... I just wanted to say that, I've been wanting to say that for a year or so now.  |
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| So is that justifying war on all muslims nations then?
No. Most Muslims do not share al qaeda ideology and BUsh is not claiming that they do.
What we do need to worry about is that increasingly (esp in UK since the LOndon bombs) simply being Muslim is enough to make one suspect, with both a rise in vigilante racist attacks and now state actions against MUslims, (such as intimidatory police raid reported below) which legitimate such prejudice.
Should you be tempted to dismiss all this as esoteric or merely mad, travel to any Muslim community in Britain, especially in the north west and sense the state of siege and fear. On 15 July, Blair's Britain of the future was glimpsed when the police raided the Iqra Learning Centre and book store near Leeds. The Iqra Trust is a well-known charity that promotes Islam worldwide as "a peaceful religion which covers every walk of life." The police smashed down the door, wrecked the shop and took away anti-war literature which they described as "anti-western".
The raid was deliberately theatrical, with the media tipped off. Two of the alleged 7 July bombers had been volunteers in the shop almost four years ago. "When they became hardliners", said a community youth worker. "They left and have never been back and they’ve had nothing to do with the shop." The raid was watched by horrified local people. who are now scared, angry and bitter. I spoke to Muserat Sujawal, who has lived in the area for 31 years and is respected widely for her management of the nearby Hamara Community Centre. She told me, "There was no justification for the raid. The whole point of the shop is to teach how Islam is a community-based religion. My family has used the shop for years, buying, for example, the Arabic equivalent of Sesame Street. They did it to put fear in our hearts." James Dean, a Bradford secondary school teacher, said, "I am teaching myself Urdu because I have multi-ethnic classes, and the shop has been very helpful with tapes."
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