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| Well one thing is certain......only Cuba is guilty of propaganda......eh Scip?
No doubt that propaganda is a huge part of the (ongoing) Cold War for all parties involved. Everybody claims they are the Savior of humanity, the pinnacle of human achievement, and the other side are sneaky, evil, backstabbers (hmmm? this sounds an awful lot like the Democrat-Republican conflict!?! ). But at the end of the day, or decade, or century, as the case may be, it is interesting to compare incontrovertible historical facts about the various sides, as a way to winnow the cumulated props of ganda and judge which history of rhetoric was less inaccurate.
Cuba, no elections for what, ~40 years? No free press. Until recently, no openness to private enterprise. Due process? Nada at best.
US, elections every 4 years, free press since before 1776, world leader in free enterprise. Due Process, problematic at worst, world leader at best, but the key thing is, pervasive, permanent, transparent, and debatable. |
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| You may find that your predilection to criticize the government is not so overlooked, and lightly treated if you do!
Bleh, 'if you don't like it hear, go somewhere else'. If you prefer LC, try one of the other first world Democracies like UK, France, Germany, Canada, Italy, Spain (that are comparible Democracies)... Can go on listing... And see how transparent those systems are compared to the US.
Really, I'm pretty sure we could make the US system look better by comparing it to freedom in Niger as well... Why didn't you suggest he go there instead scip? |
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| We have a transparent system. Unfortunately it has a bit of soap scum on it. That's better than opaque. I am starting to think you like Castro LC.
Soap scum on it. Heh! I like that.  That may be rather accurate. I suppose if there is a little bit of soap scum on it you can still usually see through it. But the fact that it is there and that it can be seen means there should be movements to eliminate it. Anyways, I like Castro??? To be honest I know very little about Castro, so I have no basis to like or dislike him. Garrison has mentioned Castro's Cuba 2 or 3 times in this thread and you say that I like Castro, why don't you go ask him about Castro? (No Offense, GF, not directed at you). When I mentioned a revolutionary, I was speaking more of Chavez. I've been reading quite abit on the man lately, and the history of oppression , racism, and poverty in South America dating back to its early colonial days. Sure, the minority status elite are going to disapprove of the revolution, but that's too damn bad, what with the way the other half lives, or rather the other 80 percent of the continent. Equality has been a myth down there for centuries. I'd like to hear some good arguments as to why he is so evil.
So I take it you'll be job hunting in Cuba or China, or Russia when you finish your graduate studies LC?
You may find that your predilection to criticize the government is not so overlooked, and lightly treated if you do!
Gimme a freaking break, mate. That's the most absurd thing I've ever read on this forum. period. First of all, I'm not going to relocate anywhere permanently any time soon. With all the close relatives I've got, my parents and siblings and grandparents and what not, that would be a very selfish thing to do. And furthermore, Cuba, China and Russia??? Why the hell would I want to go to those places?? There are FAR better options as SeaRed mentions. If I were to go anywhere, it would be north of the border, but other options like Scandinavia, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc. etc. etc. exist as well. Hell, even in the "evil, undemocratic regime" of Venezuela protesting exists and is encouraged. Hugo Chavez wrote it into the new constitution himself, a mechanism for a recall referendum for the presidential position. Such action was taken last year, after two unsuccessful coup attempts, and the referndum was soundly defeated, fraud was cried out, but international observers verified the legitimacy of the vote.
Don't get me wrong. I love my country. I'm not too fond of it's leadership right now, and I'm certainly not going to make the blanket statement of transparency. The election process MAY be transparent, but at the same time, the Tennessee Waltz sting here could have easily happened in ANY other state, as well as at the level of the federal governement. We've got a great system here, but it is not transparent.
Democracies like UK, France, Germany, Canada, Italy, Spain (that are comparible Democracies)... Can go on listing... And see how transparent those systems are compared to the US.
Seared, I'm not too sure what you mean here, I'm not too brushed up on the democracies of these other nations. Are you saying that these other systems outside of the US are considerably more or less transparent than the US, or about the same? An honest question, no sarcasm implied.  |
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