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| Yeah, there is no conclusive proof that there is a fourth dimension, so it can't exist! Same for black holes! 
Rk, I personally don't care if you say all the religions of the world are wrong and rubbish. I would even believe and agree with you. But it is impossible to prove such a thing for one reason: there are many phenomena that humans do not understand. Like light being both a particle and a wave. Or space being warped by time. Remember the last time we argued on this point? The one question that I put to you that you couldn't answer was:
How do you know it isn't possible for all religions to be correct at one and the same moment? How do you know that God does not take the shape of whatever individual people see Him as (much as the behavior of an electron changes based on the expectations of the observer, if I'm remembering my physics correctly).? In face of such a question, you cannot possibly prove that the idea is infeasible, as we are, after all, talking about the supposed infinite being.
An agnostic has no faith- in anything.
That isn't true! Well, it's not true about me, maybe I'm not really agnostic then. I believe there is a God - I have faith - but I don't believe that an organized religion is necesary, nor am I sure it's even good. So that makes me agnostic, as I don't fit into any other category. |
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Well RK, you have not only not won, but you have inspired me to be harsh. I like reading your posts ... mainly because it reminds me not to be to arogent, or to sure of myself.
You claim to look at all sides then make a logical conclusion ... well to be polite about it BS.
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If you were 22 years old and had read a book a day, cover to cover, for every day you have been alive, you would be about 80% of the way through my library. Not only do you not look at all sides, you don't even know what all the sides are.
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LOGIC, n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding. The basic of logic is the syllogism, consisting of a major and a minor premise and a conclusion -- thus: Major Premise: Sixty men can do a piece of work sixty times as quickly as one man.
Minor Premise: One man can dig a posthole in sixty seconds;
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Conclusion: Sixty men can dig a posthole in one second. This may be called the syllogism arithmetical, in which, by combining logic and mathematics, we obtain a double certainty and are twice blessed.
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as to the argument
-The geographically challenged God: Why, if God is omnipotent, has a given religion always been hindered by geography? The Abrahamic faiths all spawned in the middle east and did not move out of that area for centuries after their foundation. It would appear that God is only as powerful as human logistics.
This statement shows that you have little knowledge of the world of religion yourself.
One time a long,hot,dry season came and all the waters of the earth dried up. The people wandered from place to place trying to find things. They went to the dried up river beds and there found many dead fish and turtles and animals that dwelt in the water, and the people cut them to pieces and threw them about, for they thought that these animals and fish were in some way responsible for the waters disappearing. While they were acting foolishly they looked up and saw a man in the sky coming toward them from the west. A wind blew and the man approached and lighted on the ground before them. In his hand he carried a small green leaf. He told the people that they had not acted wisely and had abused him, and that he was angry with them. He motioned the leaf in the four directions and drops of water fell from it. Soon the water grew in volume and arose all over the world, even to the tree-tops, and the highest mountains except one. To this high mountain the man led a few of the people whom he chose, and they stayed on the mountain for many days, while the water rose higher and higher. AS the water rose the man caused the mountain to rise with them. He could do this because he had greater power than the spirit of Cold or Heat. After a time the waters began to go down, and green things appeared on the earth again. Then he led the people down from the mountain.
This "story", (the biblical flood) in one form or another, appears in virtually all American cultures ... it pre dates the coming of the white man.
In south America the people were told to climb a tall tree and the story is enhanced with the finding of a small pond in the uppermost branches of the tree. Each day a fish appeared in the pond to feed the people. In Mexico the mountain had a single corn stalk that the people ate from (loves and fishes).
The "story(s)" permeate every culture on earth, in one form or another, but it is always the same story and it pre dates Jesus, Muhammad, Budda and all the rest of them.
IIRC the Mormons believe that Jesus appeared in North America After the resurrection, I'm a bit foggy on this one and could be wrong.
In summery your logic is hampered by either lack of knowledge or by ignoring known facts to suit yourself.
you have, however, proved one thing to me ... your ignorance of this subject ... and now I'm out of this thread for good.
Keep posting ... I'll keep reading them ... With respect ... and amusement.
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| -Why, you're so cute when you get rough on me Tosk.
If you were 22 years old and had read a book a day, cover to cover, for every day you have been alive, you would be about 80% of the way through my library. Not only do you not look at all sides, you don't even know what all the sides are.
-What? What? What? What? What? Wh... Let me just clear my head here.... Ok, so what you're saying is that if I came and read all the books in your library I would suddenly know everything about how the world works? That's quite a library you've got there. And because I have not read the books in your library I cannot look at all sides and don't know what all the sides are? Wow, I might just knab this library of yours. By the way, my sister reads alot of these romantic novels, she's probably gone through a large amount of these books, does that mean she knows how the world works and all that? And what knowledge do you have of my library, or anything that I've read? I don't use this phrase often at 1BC but when presented with the above statment I have no other choice; stupidity is not an arguement.
This statement shows that you have little knowledge of the world of religion yourself.
-As the quote thingy-dingy doesn't work very well I'm only going to quote this sentence. My reply, which follows, is aimed at the statements you made below this quote.
-Ehem, first of all that story is not at all universal and your statments again reaffirm my original arguement. The story has yet again spread geographically, this time in the Americas. Different versions have spawned so as to adapt to the culture, flora, fauna, geography and climate of the people who tell them. As I said, the story is not universal and just so you know, many sayings are all but universal, only wording differentiating them. Sooooo..... Nice try but it just doesn't hold up.
-Oh, and don't critisize my knowledge or logic if yours is flawed.
How do you know it isn't possible for all religions to be correct at one and the same moment? How do you know that God does not take the shape of whatever individual people see Him as (much as the behavior of an electron changes based on the expectations of the observer, if I'm remembering my physics correctly).? In face of such a question, you cannot possibly prove that the idea is infeasible, as we are, after all, talking about the supposed infinite being.
-Remember what I said in the notice? The arguement will not disprove the existence of a god, merely those currently being worshipped. If what religion you adhere to has no significance then all religions are pointless and so religious texts are corrupt thereby bringing me to my original conclusion.
-By the way, I'm going to found a new religion called the child raping axe wielding killers of suppression, I guess I'm going to heaven since all religions are correct. This is a representation of why religion is damaging, it grants "god given" right to an individual to commit acts that would not be accepted unless it was so. Those of the same religion find it hard to attack a member of their own faith an the act is carried out. |
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| first of all that story is not at all universal RK I assume your talking about tosks referance to how wide spread the flood story goes. You couldn't be more wrong. The great flood story stretches to every coner of the globe. (well i guess technically your right the globe isn't the universe)  heres a few http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)) and there are alot more than that. (As far as the religious aspect of this dialoge that you can argue amongest yoursleves.  ) Just my 2 cents I'm a bit of a fan of ancient history (especially when it has to do with weather and other natural disasters due to my background in earth science) and its always been the global deluge story that held some fascination for me. (mini-ice age is what I'm into lately) |
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