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Bismarcko' Magnifico
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| A.) The thread was minorly Unonstitutional in that the Court had not opened the discussion of Princeps, as is its Constitutional right.
The court does not control discussion regarding the Princep. The court is responsible for organizing the poll to elect the Princep. You abused your power by forcefully ending conversation regarding the Princep. It was even made clear it was unofficial when myself and psweet posted: The nomination thread itself is unofficial and simply in accordance to past tradition. As it is separate of any actual vote, the single house left to be elected doesn't affect this thread's purpose at this point in time. I've made up my mind on which senator I wish to see nominated and seeing as how CD has been inducted as well, can either accept of decline regardless of the single house remaining.
(psweet)This is merely an unofficial nomination thread, and is not meant to actually elect anyone. Once the winner of the House of Scorpius is determined, he'll have his say as well. I don't see how either the spirit nor the letter of the Constitution has been violated. ------------------------------- B.) The minor infraction would have been overlooked had the convicted not countered the half joking observation of its being Unconstitutional, with responses questioning that The Court had any real power.
I'm convicted without any trial? Other then the fact I never did what you've claimed, you're claiming you then locked the thread because it questioned powers of the court? Wuh? My response was as follows: The point of the nomination thread is to make sure we don't vote somebody in as Princep, who doesn't want the job come election time. It doesn't affect anything that involves the organization of the poll, as it doesn't add to or detract any name from the actual ballot. So your assumption of this thread being unconstitutional is without merit. So yes, I'm curious as to where you see what you've claimed? I expect you to follow up with some full direct quotes if you're going to use that as your defense. Other wise, don't waste my time with false accusations. Also, once again, even if I did question the courts powers, who are you to punish me for such and where does it say to do such in the consitution? Overzealous behavior and abuse of authority. ie: Merit means Good Point ------------------------------- C.) Considering The Courts correct use of its Constitutional powers and lawful decision to do so, to be an abuse of said powers, would be like saying a President who played the turns correctly was abusing his. It would once again be obvious that the power hungry senate is unhappy, as it is running into a Court that will not bow to its arrogance. Justice Mr. G, ran into this as well when he attempted to better the Community through and amendment. The Senate clearly just does not want anyone else having any power or will to use it.
So the Senate is being power hungry by attempting to have a nomination thread? That's logical. I guess we've been found out... no more margarita nights I guess. I mean, it's not that you abused you authority as judge. It's the Senate being power hungry... understandable. ------------------------------- And E.) Yes tis just a game, I'm just doing my job in it, which is to make sure everyone, including myself and the senate, keep within the Constitution. Any problems you have with what I have done, is a problem you have with The Constitution.
So anybody who has a problem with what you do -- has a problem with the consitution? The call for impeachment stands. I do suggest you listen to Jerm. |
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Prince of The MAELRI
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| We do not feel like arguing the same points over and over again, when some of you would not see the light if you looked directly into the sun, so this shall be the last statement on this matter.
Either you support a government with all branches having power, as per The Constitution, that you voted in.
Or you support Bismarck's, all power exists in The Senate, and nowhere else.
You have already shown an unwillingness to attempt to better this place, and so The Court has ceased its attempts to do so through Amendments, and had backed into a position of defending The Constitution, from those who would walk over it heedlessly of its laws.
Even defending The Constitution has now come under attack.
If you feel impeachment necessary, so be it, go ahead and try to do so.
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| Or you support Bismarck's, all power exists in The Senate, and nowhere else.
Bismarck, is this your position? |
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| | Once again, what's with the "we"? Mr. G has been absent so I don't know how you can involve him in this. Nice complete dodge of the points made. You (singular) have failed to show 1.) how Bismarck has done anything unconstitutional and 2.) any justification for punishing Bismarck and 3.) why you have not abused you power as a Supreme Court Justice. Instead you go into ad hominem attacks against Bismarck and insult the community by saying that most of us can't see the light when only you can. Do you have any defense to the accusations brought before you? If you don't want to answer every single point, at least answer these: This does not make it clear as to whether the SC must start the thread for nominations or just the election thread. Nominations would seem, to me at least, to be unofficial anyway. You could have up to 3 threads, each nominating each of the senators. I will say that if this is the reason that you closed the thread, that would seem to be an abuse of power. Punishing a senator because he said something you dislike would seem to be grounds for impeachment, though I don't think it would be good for the community. Show me in the constitution where it says a senator must respect the Supreme Court. Sorry but a senator can say the Supreme Court doesn't have real power if he wishes without threat of disciplinary action, even if you use some other justification for doing so. That is just plain out of line. |
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| | There is another issue at hand and that is this: 6. The Supreme Court may, by vote of simple majority:
- Nullify a decision of the Senate.
- Nullify an Article of Law.
- Inflict upon individual member of the People such punishments as are necessary and proper for proven infractions against the Articles of Constitution or the Articles of Law, up to and including withdrawal of privileges granted by these Articles of Constitution.
- Present to the People proposals for alteration of the Articles of Constitution. You said previously: For violation of Article IV: 4 of The Constitution of this land, and in accordance with The Supreme Courts powers Article IV: 6 -3 this thread is hereby closed by decision of The Supreme Court of this land.
You were in clear violation of the Constitution and a decision of The Supreme Court, and were very lightly punished for said infraction.
If you continue in this manner of disruption and whining, The Court will have no recourse but to instill a tougher punishment. You took an action which required the majority vote of the supreme court without such majority. This is the most damning bit of evidence and if nothing else is worthy of impeachment, this would be. If you truely valued the authority of the constitution, you would reopen the thread until Mr. G votes in favor of said punishment. Otherwise, there certainly is grounds for impeachment against you. |
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