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7/23/2007 4:12 AM


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Mr. G (7/21/2007)

 The only reason the result of the election was in psweet's favor was because swordinthestorm didn't have a problem with being Deputy Senator.

No i didnt have a problem becoming a deputy but i had a huge problem with actions a coments made by certain members. This one in particular.

Actually. Psweet.... you nitwit.

Don't resign now or withdraw your name. Just let the election go to completion, claim your victory, then resign and let your deputy (why, would you look at that, it's me!!!!!) take over.

Here is direct evidence that a member intentionally influence a candidate to remain in the race just so said member could recieve a senetorial seat without recieving a single vote from the people.

This to me is an act of extreme coruption. (i will not name said person nor am i trying to upset this person. I just wish to express my opinion freely) 

Now you wonder why i didnt contest this at the time. well i though initially that no member of this goverment would accept a renentry to a campaign. I was wrong. I also decicded that it would be best to allow the game to continue rather than add to its impeachments and other issues. Had i known of the option and had there been the correct circumstances i would have fought my case.

What Mr G is refering to with liable action is to dispute matters of the goverment (not involving the supreme court) when an issue arrises. I feel that this is required to supress future incidents of a similar nature. 

 

7/23/2007 4:33 AM


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Sword - I see where you're coming from. That election was somewhat... chaotic.

I agree we need to lay down some kind of law regarding elections because of this.

I think that if members drop out then a re-election needs to be held.

In that thread I did express the idea that if Psweet became senator, then resigned, then his deputy, LC, would only be in power as an interim, until a new vote is held.

I would suggest a law as follows (although we'd have to check it doesn't conflict with the Constitution or any other law):

Resignation Law

If an elected official resigns, then his deputy (if available) will manage the position on an interim basis, until a replacement can be elected by the people. The deputy may run in said election.

If no deputy is available, then an election must be held as soon as possible to fill the position.

(This is similar to a bi-election, except a deputy can manage the position in the interim, to keep the game going)

7/23/2007 4:43 AM


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I agree we should cover all bases or be "pedantic" so in future the system cant be exploited. Sorry im really grumpy this morning got very little sleep last night. but yeah all i was saying here was that i felt a bit cheated by what happened but i got over it because there were bigger issues on the table at the time and also i have every intention of running again and again.
7/23/2007 4:54 AM


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No worries mate - I think you'd have a lot to offer for the senate, based on your current input

How about:

Election Drop-outs

If a candidate drops out of an election, they cannot re-enter election. The tier of government* holding the election, may void the election and re-hold the poll without said candidate.

*For SC Elections, this would be the Princep, for Senate/President elections, this would be the Supreme court

7/23/2007 7:14 AM


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Comedy Dave (7/23/2007)
Election Drop-outs

If a candidate drops out of an election, they cannot re-enter election. The tier of government* holding the election, may void the election and re-hold the poll without said candidate.

*For SC Elections, this would be the Princep, for Senate/President elections, this would be the Supreme court

I think this wording is a bit vague. It should be more along the lines

The tier of government* holding the election, must void the election and re-hold the poll without said candidate if 2 or less candidate are running or appoint the leading candidate or the runner up* the winner where there are 3 or more candidates

* in cases where leading candidate has stepped down mid race the runner up will be awarded the position as long as said candidate has recieved a tally of no less than a value of three fifths (3/5 or 60%) of the Leaders tally. Thus proportionally represented.

This would in cases of a closely fought campaign leave the option of continuing the game a quickly as possible. Although i feel such circumstances are unlikely to happen again it would be prudent to allow for a provision avoiding such a complicated situation.   

-----back to psweets point-----

The senate floor is where said contested thread was placed. It was declared a non official thread by the senator who posted it. Now im not getting into the motives of why it was closed but it should be a case of the senate floor being a place where the senate can discuss matters. there was nothing illegal about what bis did in setting up that thread. Lets not put this legislation through. lets keep unofficial threads for the town square. the senate floor and the supreme court should be places of official business.

Also would sombody create a place where articles of law can be easily accessed. it is tedium to the highest degree looking for that information.

 

7/23/2007 9:46 AM


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That sounds fair, sword. Hopefully we won't have such a convoluted election again...

Election Dropouts (V2)

If a candidate drops out of an election, they cannot re-enter election.

The tier of government* holding the election, must do the following:

(a) In cases where leading candidate has stepped down mid race the runner up will be awarded the position, as long as said candidate has recieved a tally of no less than a value of three fifths (3/5 or 60%) of the Leaders tally. Thus proportionally represented.

(b) In cases where the candidate stepping down is not the leader, the leading candidate will win the election as expected.

(c) If conditions (a) or (b) are not met, the election is void and must be re-held without said candidate.


*For SC Elections, this would be the Princep, for Senate/President elections, this would be the Supreme Court

 

In regards to the senate floor an unofficial threads. As long as the thread is obviously unofficial, then I don't have a problem. If someone tries to usurp an election, then that would be grounds for punishment. I'm not sure what the other senators think about this.

I've asked Mongoose what would be the best approach for collating the articles of law. Hopefully the ball will start rolling in the next few days...

7/23/2007 2:39 PM


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I've asked Mongoose what would be the best approach for collating the articles of law. Hopefully the ball will start rolling in the next few days...
How about gathering them in a single thread with links?

Article of Law #1, concerning election protocols

Article of Law #2, concerning absence

Pin it under the constitution, pin it here on the senate floor... The actual articles might still be posted in the thread itself without becoming too much of a navigational nightmare.
7/24/2007 2:36 PM


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Concerning the past election... I really had not meant for it to be that chaotic, really, and I'm sorry I put such a wrench in it.  What happened was that it looked like Tor was about to be impeached, but it did not appear that the SC could continue to function if that happened (G was absent, and there were no other citizens running for the position last time an election was held).  Biz and I were talking via pms about the whole situation, and since I was not a Senator yet, I offered to drop out of the election to become a Justice once TOR was impeached so that the government could continue with the minimum of interference.  As things developed, it appeared that TOR was not going to be impeached after all, as most of the citizens who voiced their opinion were against it, most importantly CD, who was by all accounts going to be the princeps.  So, Biz and I talked again, and it was decided that it would be best if I stayed in the Senate after all.

Again, sorry all.  I hadn't any idea how big of a wave this whole shenanigan would create. 

Now, about legislating common sense...

It's not like we have anything better to do!  Let's get going!

7/24/2007 6:49 PM


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